and you don't have a you know political and economic system that was i would say survive the challenge of war on an organized of the war and also impose heavy discipline on the population in order to secure victory. the picture in relation to various will cc's is very different. than most cases there's not a great son in law great deal of popular and fusing as i'm about was the son the divided political. opinions which makes it very difficult to prosecute and continued as well as particularly problems on conflicts such as the one we saw in iraq is still ongoing in afghanistan but why always the no one likes a war but it seems like an old days people were really driven to win at this point everyone's life fatigued with wars what it depends what the was about what system if you're talking about second. russians kotak right patrols who were what

was at stake was the whole future of european civilization today is was obviously the issues are you know quite cold in some cases there are divided opinions about you know whether or not the war is worth is worth the candle of what's at stake and so on but are the issues maybe blurred because for example making images get other experts we spoke to there saying that war on terror is misleading because it doesn't really define the enemy you don't really know what you're fighting for do you think that might be the problem where the war on terror is is a vague concept i think the problem is more the. when the war on top terror has taken the fall with actuals such as the ones you know you see in iraq and afghanistan. there's been a confusions about what help jets objects of those wells were you know initially the object is supposedly. you know to. six security objects of various kinds you

know but then they get confused with various political and audiological projects in the projects to transform the societies in the american or in the west and self-image because that that that makes the whole scenario very complicated but also it seems like if you compare the wars that were fought in the twentieth century let's say the second world war since we started off with that. it was also an involvement of ideological clashes like communism liberalism fascism. what's important today ideology or nationalism or patriotism what what would drive people today to actually you know want to win a war i think there are audiological issues at stake in these various contemporary conflicts you know what various western governments and related western public opinion see has been the stake is no western liberal democracy and the values that that represents and various terrorists and fundamentalists oppose council seen as

being a friend to his brothers and an effort to assist them sober up because she's a striker no whether or not you know the fret is as great as it's made out that's another question and how you combat that for it that's another i think that you know significant ideological issues at stake in today's complex maybe not cause fundamental on such a grand scale as the ones you mentioned in relation to set up in the i think that you know ideas and values are very central to. these ongoing conflicts because that's not the only for your state is also a state state interests and first narrow political interests. at work here which you know are going complicates the whole situation we're talking about ideologies and at the end of the day if you look at why. america wages all these wars or at least official version is that they believe that people in other countries that are

ruled by dictators deserve a better idealogy which is democracy so they're try to export that democracy to those countries. save libyan people in benghazi from being slaughtered by darfur or save people in iraq from being slaughtered by saying but then the ways and the means they do that. doesn't that really undermined their a core of the principles they're really trying to export and instead democracy promotion has been you know at the heart of american foreign policy for a long time on going back at least to that said tom of the first world war so it's that's not a new fee. the problem is you know what's the best way to. promote democracy is it by for military intervention is it by trying to impose your own system or other people is there even a way to impose democracy will recent experience would suggest that it's very

problematic trying to export your system to another country and see that clearly in the case of afghanistan and also in the case in the case in case of iraq but there are there is this cut american ideology of democracy promotion that you know that democracy is not just good for america it's good for the rest of the world it's not just good for the political point of view it's also good from the point of view of few pieces of quote good motives i think underlying you know you not the stakes of democracy promotion as you say the way the way they go they go about it does have a tendency to undermine its own goals you know if he talks to some of the former he was sufficient is today some of them actually acknowledge that the wars especially in afghanistan and in iraq they were waged at a flip of a coin. they didn't really gave too much thought of going in there and actually. having

a clear strategy how to win why is that were they deep inside just so certain that they could defeat terrorism going into iraq for example or afghanistan. that's true in both cases there were very serious ventures seriously considered i don't think there were decisions of the drop of a hat there might be wrong decisions but i think so you think they actually gave a lot of thought absolutely what i didn't give a lot of thought to all my view was that misconceived in various ways was what happens off to the war what happens when you liberate when you go what problems. is that good for about how you got to deal with them so so that that is a i think where the lack of clarity comes into the picture and that's all part of the military strategy is what happens after i mean you don't just go in liberate people if you know that they're going to be worse off once you're liberation it depends what you think is going to happen and afghanistan in iraq case western

societies united states great britain had a particular view based on their view of historic experience of what was going to happen you know when they went into these countries you know secured their military clothes and then attempt to skew their political goals and that turned out to be wrong it's very much more complicated than i thought until the fundamental problem i faced was was you know ok initially they would i want quiet. decisive victories but the military campaign had to continue in various forms and the continuation of military camp by tended to conflict with the political goals the democratization of what's not such so they found themselves you know have a whole series of contradictions complications which you know the result was in the afghan case they were drawing the chances you know there's a good chance the taliban may will make a comeback so so what has been the result of ten years of war in afghanistan exactly if iraq is not a very stable country at this point stable is a. that doesn't apply to afghanistan addle and then you know we hear

a lot of talk about new possibilities of going to syria or you know hitting iran do you really feel like western states feel an imminent threat from those two countries do we really need to go in those countries and invade them too you know i don't i don't think dr peeke if western governments feel for from syria. not most think. iran is a different case i think you know there is a perception on the raid for various forms of course particularly in the case of you know do the acquisition of nuclear weapons but that's not just the french seen by the west i mean you know the russian government also the fuse iran acquiring nuclear weapons as b. has has been problematic at least as part of the diplomatic and political effort to stop that so so invading iran would still solve the problem no no no no i'm just saying that that russia doesn't want iran to acquire a nuclear weapon know if they were on perhaps not and if there was

a russia as part of a political and diplomatic effort to try out of that i venture out in the polls that's that's the right way to go and i don't want to talk about the military action that are taking i do think that the experience of military action in relation to iraq and afghanistan how problematic is to is acting as a constraint on the american or western predisposition to military action in relation to iran i'm not so sure about the israelis of course about that they've got to make their own decisions and proceed around course but they can't really act alone without american acworth so. you know i would so i wouldn't necessarily say it depends how the israelis beauty around you for all your good for of an iranian bomb what one what risk there be to tell you i personally wouldn't rule you do that through israeli action in relation to iran which of course would be a very. frightening scenario should actually develop you've argued that soviet

union was not prepared to fight a defensive war in forty one but you just said that america was really pretty prepared for the consequences of the invasion they lead to afghanistan and iraq. how should one actually prepare for a war of tomorrow. that's very difficult because every day was disclose the generals always preparing to fight the last war it is a cliche but it does tend to be true it's only as the conflict on faults that. it's novelty its novelty becomes apparent and there's not that to the actual conditions of the war so there is no way to prepare for a new war. would you yes the reason the one of the ways that you could prepare for a new war is obviously by the lessons of history learning past experience but also you know learning the lesson that the future is always different from going to be

a little bit circumspect was mine for the bubble as you call it said. journals you know it was said that it's very easy off the event to say was should have happened and what should have been done it's much more difficult at the time so you know planning for this preparing for engaging the world is a very difficult and complicated complicated business and mistakes in my you know you know the whole history of warfare is that all of you know was going wrong things not turning out as the generals the politicians expect geoffrey roberts historian author of the new book style is general it's about marshall as you go thank you very much for being with us today thank you. wealthy british scientists are some time to.

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hello welcome to the sporting these are the headlines box barcode the muscovites lose three two to celtic in the champions league article seeding a lot. last minute goal in the russian capital. plus rallying the troops they need less he calls on his players to redefine their full as they prepare to face italian giants milan. finding talk of the possible sleeper clash between heavyweight world champion starting a cliché arm russian alex and the perfect edges closer despite differing opinions on when the back should take place. but first bottom moscow's hopes of seeing the knockout stages of the champions league this season have suffered a massive blow the red and whites beaten three two at home to sell take meaning they are without a single point after two games it was a thrill at least in a key celtic going one nil up after a dozen minutes through gary hooper before manuals and mini case called either side

of the break to take. advantage it was all downhill after that for the red and white square and one in saw round the was sent off on sixty three minutes now it was followed by an own goal from the meet you can borrow to make it to two and then at the death you'll get some modest headed celtics when the three two defeat puts bottom of their group barcelona after their two year when. the elsewhere months united came from behind to be clues in romania a couple of robin van persie go securing a two one victory you know i didn't i taught that group was a gala task force and after that to your defeat to f.c. braga percy happy with his night's work. to go. broke though. believe. me. to assist with. the right to be. very.

good. for. it was not for. those who would. bring back. the words of. meanwhile defending champions chelsea thumb danish side no show and four nil to top eight event disenchant played out of one one draw in the other game where the surprise of the night so by the russian side bar by munich three one in minsk that puts both a top of group path with. plenty big deal to milk keeping the french side of the table well tonight so nice and petersburg the milan in the champions league with coach lee desperate for his side to refine some form make been disappointing in the russian premier league and i currently six and also have selection problems russia

captain igor denise of continues to be dropped after a. while fellow midfielder. and danny are injured and is plenty says he wants his remaining players to believe in themselves again. today is to return self-reliance skills and quality because we want to beat others will come back to us later so we should turn our strengths and skills to the level that will go through boxing alexander ovechkin is ready to challenge for the ultimate throne after extending his unbeaten streak to twenty five banks on saturday the w.b. a heavyweight regular champion confident he can now and see division king make the thirty three year old promoter wants a klitschko fight by february or march next year following that second round take technical knockout of seeing over the weekend ukraine klitschko however first needs to be polled in november to keep his super way super heavyweight w.p.a.

belt along with i.b.m. and title klitschko stating they won't be pressured into taking any earlier in july next year while king will self doesn't appear to deter by its critics ahead of the looming super far. right now. given plenty of world wide exposure so i understand why i'm considered the underdog but i'm not too worried about it i'm surrounded by people who fully believe in me and i'm confident that i have what it takes to be futile. russia's kontinental hockey league is heading stateside with the n.h.l. lockout in full swing sports broadcaster e.s.p.n. has decided to showcase shell games in the u.s. the network which has had a strained relationship with the north american league will also show gains in the u.k. . for sure but surely currently has plenty to offer when it comes to get in our product

on the market the clubs which currently feature n.h.l. players such as the nominee says sky and sky will clearly draw more interest from overseas then there are the teams but ultimately it will suggest we each matches we want to see broadcasted based on quality time difference and other factors in cricket world twenty twenty pakistan have secured a place in the semifinals with a thirty run victory over australia as strongly had already qualified for the last four and pakistan needed a victory to stand any chance of joining them. helped himself to fifty five runs pakistan early on the twenty two year old getting the eventual winners back on track after a nervous twenty nine for to start destroying bones also having plenty of trouble trying to deal with the his seventy nine run partner. mile who impressed with thirty two so pakistan ending with one hundred forty nine percent in the prior strayer could only manage one hundred seventeen in their twenty overs a victory enough to send pakistan on net run rate after india could only be south

africa by one run in the late game pakistan will now face rancor in the seventies while the shreya played at west indies. golf fans in america are still reeling from that stunning comeback by europe in the rye the cup the incredible turnaround seeing the europeans fight back from ten six down on the final day to win by a point. now able to savor that special memory as he makes his exit as captain of the. what day the was yesterday extraordinary period you know if we do i did wonderful girl for here with us because so far to hear a church even meant those twelve men indeed on sunday i know that. most of the world didn't believe we would be having this trophy here but they never stopped believing and they pay for most of the show on sunday that said that was just out sunday and all credit to them. and let's head back to football finally to revisit

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